” 85% of new COVID Delta infections in Israel are fully vaccinated” … A Catastrophe Unveils Itself

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Over the past month, new daily cases of Covid 19 in Israel spiked by 3000 percent. On Tuesday 13th July 2021 they reached 754 reported cases fortunately with only 53 ‘serious’. Israel is the world’s most vaccinated state, over 60%, and the remaining 40% may be children or babies who hardly ever succumb. So what happens there may be a sign of things to come.

Now an Israeli reporter, Gilad Atzmon , has gone viral with a report, including official Government tables, which admit that 85% 0f this new wave are already vaccinated. Israel has 8.7 million people. Vaccination was almost exclusively Pfizer, as befits a ‘US protectorate.

We don’t know yet how many the soaring wave will include. The government claims that most cases are ‘not serious’ but we don’t know how many may succumb to the emerging long term adverse effects of the vaccine. ( and Covid 19 cocktail!)

No mainstream news outlet has dared to touch this story. It’s backed up partly by The Guardian’s verifiable report that the majority of new Covid 19 cases in the UK are of vaccinated people.(see..most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination”.. real article in the Guardian)

The author, Gilad Atzmon is a long term critic of the zionist wing of the Israeli State, but he has never just invented things, and below there are over 100 comments on the original post (reproduced below) without any disproving his sources. He gives a link to one of the official papers with two tables which verify his claim. The paper is in Hebrew, but easily translatable copying into Google Translate. SEE BELOW

The importance of Gilad’s revelation, if confirmed, is in our opinion hard to overestimate, if the mass media fails to suppress it.

  • It throws the whole control effort of ‘vaccination passports’ into disarray.
  • It disqualifies the use of the Pfizer vaccine if large numbers of vaccinated can still get Covid 19 and pass it on.
  • It make getting vaccinated seem like a stupidity if you’re much more likely to get Covid 19.
  • The 3rd table (see Update below) ”suggests that for Delta cases the vaccine has no impact whatsoever”.
  • It makes the large number of deaths and adverse reactions from the vaccination statistically much more relevant.
  • And, on the other hand, it is a powerful incentive to roll out the ‘Booster Vaccinations’, which are already approved in Israel, meaning billions of dollars more profit for Pfizer and co.
here is the document Gilad includes: Israeli Health Ministry announcement for July 6  2021

here is the pdf address https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/news/06072021-04/he/NEWS_Corona_vaccine-eficacy.pdf

page 1. Google translation

Spokesman for the Ministry of Health
Ministry of Health PO Box 1176 Jerusalem 91010
dover@moh.health.gov.il
Tel: 02-5081220 Fax: 02-5655965
P.O.B 1176 Jerusalem 91010
dover@moh.health.gov.il
Tel: 5081220-02 Fax: 02-5655965

06 July 2021 26 Tammuz, 5771 Reference: 530306721

Ministry of Health announcement: * Explanation of the usefulness of the vaccne against the corona virus in Israel *


The Ministry of Health monitors the usefulness of the vaccine against the corona virus on a regular basis.
As published yesterday (05.07.21) in a statement from the Ministry of Health from an epidemiological analysis of public health services in the Ministry of Health, as of June 6, there is a decrease in vaccine benefit in preventing infection to 64% and in preventing disease with symptoms to 64%.

The decline was observed simultaneously with the spread of the Delta variant in Israel. However, the benefit of the vaccine in preventing hospitalizations and severe morbidity in the corona virus is estimated at 93%.

Explanation of the calculation of the benefit of the vaccine


The calculation of vaccine benefit is based on human-time incidence compared with vaccinated and unvaccinated during the follow-up period. When a vaccine is 100% beneficial, there will be no case among the vaccinated. When a vaccine is not helpful (0 h), the incidence of morbidity will be the same between vaccinated and unvaccinated. Vaccine benefit means what percentage of morbidity (or hospitalizations or mortality) can be prevented by the vaccine. The data are analyzed in a statistical model that allows regulation of factors that may affect outcomes, such as age of infection and week of outbreak. Who in writing published the work in the methods is found more detailed know-it-all
(https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/news/06052021-02/ru/NEWS_Corona_lancet-article.pdf.) People who were verified in Corona before the follow-up period find from the surgery that their risk of being infected again is different from the rest of the population that has not been infected for the first time. Benefit is measured in people aged 16 and over, this is because there are not
enough vaccinated 12-15 year olds to allow the calculation.


Below are tables of morbidity data by follow-up period in the calculation base of th Ministry of Health and the full calculation formula. The following data are currently being examined: infections, symptomatic illness (fever and / or respiratory symptoms), hospitalizations, and serious illness

page 2. screenshot of table 1 in pdf

Gilad’s translation of Table 1

https://thefreeonline.files.wordpress.com/2021/07/c6857-healthminestry_edited-1.jpg

The time frame is the last column on the right. The bottom entry is for 06/06 to 03/07.. Now check out the figures for Not vaccinated and Vaccinated in this bottom line. This only goes until 03/o7/2021, but things have got much worse since.

original post

A Catastrophe Unveils Itself by Gilad Atzmon

 July 14, 2021 • 700 Words • 105 Comments

On July 9, we learned that Pfizer planned to ask U.S. and European regulators to authorize an urgent booster dose of its COVID-19 vaccine, “based on evidence of greater risk of infection six months after inoculation and the spread of the highly contagious Delta variant.”

On the same day we also learned that the FDA and CDC weren’t very enthusiastic about the idea. In a joint statement both institutions announced that “Americans who have been fully vaccinated do not need a booster COVID-19 shot at this time.”

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) also said that “it was too early to determine whether more than the two shots that are currently required would be called for, saying it was confident for now that the established regimen was sufficient.”

It was revealed later that day that Pfizer’s emergency booster request was initiated following some catastrophic data from Israel.

Searching for a clue in Hebrew media sources, I came across a spectacular revelation dated 6 July that showed around 85% of new COVID Delta infections in Israel are fully vaccinated..

The above data suggests that while in the youngest age group (20-29) the vaccinated were about 2.3 over-represented amongst COVID infection cases. In some of the older age group (50-59 for instance), the vaccinated were overrepresented by even more than 15-fold. We should take into consideration that in Israel most senior citizens are fully vaccinated. And yet, since in Israel only 57% of the population is fully vaccinated, one would expect the balance between Delta cases in Israel to be shared by a rate that doesn’t exceed beyond a 6:4 ratio between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.  Clearly this is not the case. On average, according to the data above the vaccinated are more likely to catch delta by a ratio of 5:1 on average.

Being slightly suspicious of the above data and its origin, I asked my Israeli partners to trace an official government document that could confirm the above numbers. Within a few minutes the Israeli Health Ministry announcement for July 6  surfaced in my email inbox and it validates the above finding.

The most significant information is produced by the following table.

The above study reveals that while in February 2020 (31/1-27/2) the unvaccinated dominated the COVID cases by a ratio of 20:1, six months later in June 2020 (6/6-3/7) it is actually the vaccinated who are prone to be infected by a ratio of 5:1.

It is the vaccinated who happen to develop symptoms by a ratio of 5:1. It is the vaccinated who are more likely to be hospitalized and develop critical illness. If Israel was a ‘world experiment,’ as Benjamin Netanyahu presented it at one stage, this experiment is now turning into a disaster (at least for the vaccinated).

In Israel, the vaccinated are becoming infected at a growing rate and as such are spreading the virus rather than stopping it. We also have a good reason to believe that the rest of the Western world will witness a similar pattern as it has followed the Israeli vaccine doctrine.

People like to fiddle with statistics and draw the conclusions that suit them. If only 11 out of the 1271 vaccinated cases develop critical illness, we are dealing with slightly less than 1% of the vaccinated developing critical illness. At the same time more than 2% of the unvaccinated develop critical illness. Yet, since Delta cases are 5 times more common amongst the vaccinated as time passes by, I may suggest that we are facing a possible emerging disaster as far as the Pfizer-vaccinated are concerned.

I guess that Pfizer scientists understand all of this very well and this is why they asked for an immediate booster approval

UPDATE

Update 14.7.2021 15:40. Minutes after publishing this article this new data came in from Israel. It suggests that when it comes to Delta cases, the Vaccine has no impact whatsoever as the percentage of vaccinated Delta cases is pretty much identical with their representation in society.

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)

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 105 CommentsCommenters to Ignore…to FollowEndorsed Only Trim Comments?Greta Handel says:July 14, 2021 at 2:54 pm GMT • 2.9 days ago

I look forward to seeing the cited references, the data, and/or Mr. Atzmon’s insights refuted, if they can be

A fascinating piece of research on Israeli data. If Atzmon is right, and this really is the unexploded bomb that he claims, then western governments are facing the same medical (and political) disaster, but on a much bigger scale. • Replies: @aj54, @guibus ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Colin Wright says: • WebsiteJuly 14, 2021 at 3:48 pm GMT • 2.9 days ago

Aside from everything else, this makes vaccine passports literally idiotic. Even if they personally are less likely to die, the vaccinated will be functioning as carriers of the disease. Creating Typhoid Marys becomes the mandated response to the virus. • Agree: meamjojo • Replies: @Zumbuddi, @Anthony Aaron, @Bill Jones ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Colin Wright says: • WebsiteJuly 14, 2021 at 3:53 pm GMT • 2.9 days ago • 100 Words   @Greta Handel

‘Again, I said refuted. Not dismissed, scoffed at, dissembled — refuted.’

How about shunted off to Unz Review and kept out of the mainstream?

Our civilization is beginning to remind me of the dying Ch’ing and Ottoman Empires — so sclerotic that the response to the evidence of failure tends to be to suppress the evidence rather than address the failure. • Agree: Anon62 • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave, @Mulga Mumblebrain ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Zumbuddi says:July 14, 2021 at 4:21 pm GMT • 2.9 days ago@Colin Wright

“Creating Typhoid Marys becomes the mandated response to the virus.”

Feature not bug. • Agree: Adam Smith, Alfred • Replies: @4Truth ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Ultrafart the Brave says: • WebsiteJuly 14, 2021 at 4:48 pm GMT • 2.8 days ago • 400 Words   @Colin Wright.

Our civilization is beginning to remind me of the dying Ch’ing and Ottoman Empires — so sclerotic that the response to the evidence of failure tends to be to suppress the evidence rather than address the failure.

It’s not actually dying, it’s being euthanised by our benevolent prospective Globalist overlords, ready for the birth of a new civilisational paradigm where the likes of creepy Bill and the Davos crowd will rule the entire planet with an iron fist, and we will all “own nothing and be happy” (those few surviving, that is). [MORE] • Agree: Josh Kenn, aj54 • Replies: @Colin Wright ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:July 14, 2021 at 4:51 pm GMT • 2.8 days ago

Gilad, did you manage to avoid getting vaxxed over there? If so, are there mandated restrictions on how you’re living your daily life as a result? Thanx for the great updates/articles. • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
follyofwar says:July 14, 2021 at 4:56 pm GMT • 2.8 days ago

Below the second graph, Mr. Atzmon refers to the vaxxed vs unvaxxed in 2020. As the vaccine was not yet available then, I assume he means 2021. Or am I missing something? • Replies: @Jefferson Temple, @Gilad Atzmon, @RMM ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
willem1 says:July 14, 2021 at 5:20 pm GMT • 2.8 days ago • 200 Words   

I personally believe that the degree of protection provided by the vaccines has yet to be determined (or even demonstrated). That being said, the above statistics all by themselves don’t really tell us much. Making specific declarations about effectiveness is much more complex than this simple article implies.

Picking this apart would be another longish article in and of itself, but for starters:

1) What percentage of the population at large is vaccinated? How does that compare of the percentage of patients that are vaccinated?

2) Do the behaviors of the vaccinated differ from the behaviors of the unvaccinated? One example: Are vaccinated people being less careful due to their belief that they are “protected”, and therefore exposing themselves more readily to infection? Another: Did a larger number of unvaccinated people decide to skip the vaccine because they already had COVID and concluded they did not need it due to their acquisition of natural immunity?

Trying to make something out of this one set of statistics is vastly oversimplistic. • Agree: Brás Cubas • Troll: Josh Kenn, Alfred • Replies: @Colin Wright, @Skeptikal, @MidwesternGreyMan, @hillaire ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Jefferson Temple says:July 14, 2021 at 5:35 pm GMT • 2.8 days ago@follyofwar

I’m sure he meant 2021 and it’s a typo or mistake. I had the same question. Yes, Moderna had their mRNA corona vax in the pipeline BEFORE a pandemic was declared (curious, isn’t it?), but the rollout didn’t begin until this last winter. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Colin Wright says: • WebsiteJuly 14, 2021 at 5:48 pm GMT • 2.8 days ago • 100 Words   @Ultrafart the Brave

‘It’s not actually dying, it’s being euthanised by our benevolent prospective Globalist overlords, ready for the birth of a new civilisational paradigm where the likes of creepy Bill and the Davos crowd will rule the entire planet with an iron fist, and we will all “own nothing and be happy” (those few surviving, that is)….’

If only.

Sadly, I disagree with you. I say ‘sadly,’ because however malevolent his ultimate intentions, a wise rancher doesn’t abuse his stock; we could look forward to being properly fed and watered, even if our final fate wasn’t too palatable.

Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s the case. These people are idiots. The appropriate metaphor is more like we’re in a school bus, careering madly down a mountain road, with chimpanzees fighting over the steering wheel.

Consider US governmental and media policy at the moment. It is so unpopular, and so doomed to failure, that they actually had a go at distracting us with UFO’s. That fizzled, and now we’re back to ginning up near-wars with Russia and China. Anything to keep people distracted…

There isn’t a plan here. Nothing workable anyway. All that can happen is that at some point, the bus goes off the side of the road. • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Toza says:July 14, 2021 at 6:19 pm GMT • 2.8 days ago

Mr. Atzmon, is it possible not to get vaccinated in Israel, to avoid the vaccination altogether? • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
A123 says:July 14, 2021 at 6:43 pm GMT • 2.8 days ago • 100 Words   

Are there behavioural and/or environmental differences between vaccinated / uncomfortable vaccinated populations? Possibilities include:
— Personal health risk factors
— Contact with high risk individuals
— Working & commuting conditions (e.g. densely packed buses)

The information presented points to the Pfizer vaccine having little stopping power versus the Delta various.

I would want to see more detailed information before taking the next step to vaccine increasing vulnerability to Delta:
— If this is taking place, what is the mechanism?
— A broad based immune problem would show up as increased vulnerability to other diseases in addition to Delta. Is this occurring?

The appropriate metaphor is more like we’re in a school bus, careering madly down a mountain road, with chimpanzees fighting over the steering wheel.

Thanks for that comforting image.

I don’t dismiss your position – it seems to me that the American Empire (encapsulated by the “5 Eyes” Team America ® plus a globally distributed network of obedient vassals) is on the cusp of collapse. [MORE] • Agree: Tsar Nicholas • Replies: @Colin Wright ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
WorkingClass says:July 14, 2021 at 6:57 pm GMT • 2.7 days ago • 100 Words   

If two shots leave you more and not less vulnerable to the variant how dumb would you have to be to get a third shot? If the vax is worse than the virus who needs global warming? There is a humerus aspect to this if you, like me, are a misanthrope. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter
nickels says:July 14, 2021 at 7:20 pm GMT • 2.7 days ago

unfortunately its less deadly (tho the original was mostly a nothing burger). ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter
Raches says:July 14, 2021 at 7:37 pm GMT • 2.7 days ago • 100 Words   

A Catastrophe Unveils Itself

Shoah, there. Did you say Catastrophe?

Perhaps your wordplay may be too subtle. Well, it would be ironic if Israelis were so obsessed with their persecution complex that they inadvertently Holocausted themselves.

BREAKING NEWS: The Pfizer vaccine was created by Nazi doctors led by Josef Mengele. (Proof: The name “Pfizer” looks sort of German! Also, I am an eyewitness.) If you deny this true fact, then you shall be imprisoned for years in “liberated” Germany, as Snopes authoritatively debunks your denial. Help fight the spread of racist and antisemitic misinformation on social media by extremists and domestic terrorists! Report to the FBI anyone who denies that the Pfizer vaccine was made by Nazi German Nazis for the purpose of exterminating the Jews People of Jewishness. If you see something, say something! • LOL: Tsar Nicholas ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter
Darb says:July 14, 2021 at 7:41 pm GMT • 2.7 days ago

Is it a stretch to interpret “delta” spread post vaccination as actually a result of the vaccination and that the ‘detection’ of ‘delta” is the same PCR smoke and mirrors trick used since January 2020? Making the problem here entirely that of the injection. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter
A123 says:July 14, 2021 at 7:47 pm GMT • 2.7 days ago@A123

I am beginning to think that Autocorrect is my mortal foe.

vaccinated / uncomfortable vaccinated

Should obviously be:

vaccinated / unvaccinated

Where did the entire extra word come from? This is bizarre even for Autocorrect.

I am not vaccinated,,,and in a very good shape , however it ain’t easy … traveling to concerts is becoming pretty difficult and consuming… • Replies: @Skeptikal ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Gilad Atzmon says: • WebsiteJuly 14, 2021 at 8:40 pm GMT • 2.7 days ago@Toza

At the moment only 57% of the Israelis are fully vaccinated … 4% took the first jab but never continued… I actually think that we will have to look closely into the israeli case in the next few months … • Replies: @Toza ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Gilad Atzmon says: • WebsiteJuly 14, 2021 at 8:42 pm GMT • 2.7 days ago@follyofwar

Yep,,, it was a mistake ….I corrected it on my site …Tx so much ,,,, ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Colin Wright says: • WebsiteJuly 14, 2021 at 9:29 pm GMT • 2.6 days ago • 200 Words   @Ultrafart the Brave

‘…What remains to be seen is if it will go out with a bang, or just quietly dissolve and disappear over a painfully drawn out period like the Roman Empire…’

It’s interesting that you cite the Roman Empire. I’d say we’re entering something akin to the Third Century crisis.

…and the Empire will be restored. But here’s the depressing bit: what will be restored won’t be what was there before — any more than it was in Rome. Left or Right, it’s not going to be nearly as pleasant as what we once had. You can say adios to the moral scruples, the tolerance, the breadth of vision, the willingness to engage in reasoned debate, the humanity…

The boot’s coming down. I want it to be my boot — but I don’t kid myself that we’re going to be able to make everything all better. Humpty Dumpty has fallen off the wall. We can shoot the bastards who pushed him — but that won’t solve the problem. • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave, @hillaire, @TheJamesRocket ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Colin Wright says: • WebsiteJuly 14, 2021 at 9:43 pm GMT • 2.6 days ago • 100 Words   @willem1

‘I personally believe that the degree of protection provided by the vaccines has yet to be determined (or even demonstrated). That being said, the above statistics all by themselves don’t really tell us much. Making specific declarations about effectiveness is much more complex than this simple article implies.’

Doesn’t that imply the virus wasn’t much to worry about in the first place?

If you take some medicine, and you can’t decide if it actually helped, maybe you weren’t all that sick to begin with. • Agree: Tsar Nicholas • Replies: @willem1 ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Toronto Mike says:July 14, 2021 at 10:03 pm GMT • 2.6 days ago • 100 Words   

I see two possibilities here;

1. The first two doses wreck the immune system making the person susceptible to invasion by a new virus such as Delta. This is basically what happened to the ferrets.

2. There is no Delta variant, its all bullshit, and it is the vaccine itself that is making people sick. • Agree: Adam Smith, JasonT, Alfred • Replies: @bike-anarkist ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Tsar Nicholas says:July 14, 2021 at 10:58 pm GMT • 2.6 days ago

Typo in your article in the paragraph under the second table. You say 2020 when you mean 2021.

Thanks for the article. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter
willem1 says:July 14, 2021 at 11:00 pm GMT • 2.6 days ago@Colin Wright

I agree, but that’s kind of a different discussion. • Replies: @Skeptikal ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Ultrafart the Brave says:July 14, 2021 at 11:05 pm GMT • 2.6 days ago@Colin Wright

Humpty Dumpty has fallen off the wall. We can shoot the bastards who pushed him — but that won’t solve the problem.

No – but it’s a start. • Replies: @Colin Wright ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Colin Wright says: • WebsiteJuly 14, 2021 at 11:41 pm GMT • 2.5 days ago • 100 Words   @Ultrafart the Brave

‘Humpty Dumpty has fallen off the wall. We can shoot the bastards who pushed him — but that won’t solve the problem.

No – but it’s a start.’

Gratifying, anyway.

Unfortunately, my suspicion is that this is precisely where we’re headed: people shooting people.

…and since almost inevitably, our views won’t line up precisely with those doing the shooting, that means adios freedom. ‘Keep yo’ little moufus shut!

I mean, it’s already partially gone — but time for that final writ and decree.

There’s a scene in the German Eighties (?) film Mephisto. The film begins with the German film world of the twenties. When the Nazis come to power, the opportunist does quite well, but the early Nazi true believer — the loon everybody was laughing at in 1925 — is finally led off and shot.

The New Order isn’t going to be pretty. I want it to be Right rather than Left — but I’ve no illusions about its probable moral complexion. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Skeptikal says:July 15, 2021 at 12:53 am GMT • 2.5 days ago • 200 Words   @willem1

“One example: Are vaccinated people being less careful due to their belief that they are “protected”, and therefore exposing themselves more readily to infection?”

This is ridiculous. Is it satire?

Why should the vaccinated be “less careful”? Why shouldn’t they socialize normally once jabbed twice?

Where in the world did they get their crazy belief that they would be “protected” by a “vaccine” and they would be able to start to live normally again? After all, they were told the jabs were worthless by TPTB!!! The premises of this comment are an acknowledgment that the jabs are indeed worthless and everyone should have realized that and continued to hide out in the cellar.

In that case why get the jab? Why not just continue to hide out in the cellar, and forego the hazards of the jabs?

Earth to Willem:

A vaccination is supposed to prevent infection and disease, kill the virus, prevent transmission (because nothing left to transmit, duh). This comment shows the extent to which basic rational thinking is on hold when it comes to covid-19. Similar “logic” showed up in another Unz thread on the covid topic. • Replies: @Badger Down, @Ultrafart the Brave ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Skeptikal says:July 15, 2021 at 12:58 am GMT • 2.5 days ago@Gilad Atzmon

Do you have to be tested constantly in order to be able to go anywhere, or enter a building? • Replies: @Badger Down, @Gilad Atzmon ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Skeptikal says:July 15, 2021 at 12:59 am GMT • 2.5 days ago@willem1

No, it is exactly the same discussion.

Why take the shot if you are still scared of getting sick afterwards? • Replies: @Colin Wright ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
JasonT says:July 15, 2021 at 1:37 am GMT • 2.5 days ago

This is the game. Shoot people up to give them a toxin and make them susceptible to toxins and then advise more shots when they get sick from the toxins. The endless shoot ’em up is therefore ensured until the chip is implanted and total control is realized.

Don’t get the shot. Put your faith in your own immune system (i.e., that which God designed for you) and take care if it with good sanitation, hygiene and nutrition. • Replies: @Colin Wright ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Colin Wright says: • WebsiteJuly 15, 2021 at 2:02 am GMT • 2.5 days ago@Skeptikal

‘Why take the shot if you are still scared of getting sick afterwards?’

Why take it? So that you can fly, attend college, keep your job…

It’s like joining the Party in Stalin’s Russia. To get along, go along. • Replies: @Skeptikal, @hillaire ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Colin Wright says: • WebsiteJuly 15, 2021 at 2:04 am GMT • 2.5 days ago • 100 Words   @JasonT

‘…Don’t get the shot. Put your faith in your own immune system (i.e., that which God designed for you) and take care if it with good sanitation, hygiene and nutrition.’

I’d readily take the vaccine — if the disease in question posed a serious threat in the first place.

That’s the thing. Quite a bit of this would be perfectly logical if we were discussing the Black Death.

…but we’re not, are we? • Replies: @JasonT ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
JasonT says:July 15, 2021 at 2:52 am GMT • 2.4 days ago@Colin Wright

The black death was caused by poor sanitation (mainly), poor hygeiene and poor nutrition. • Replies: @animalogic ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Jim Christian says:July 15, 2021 at 3:25 am GMT • 2.4 days ago • 100 Words   

Anyone know how Sputnik V is doing in this regard? Those goddamned evil motherfuckers knew the side effects of mRNA with their phoney efficacy rates all the while banning Sputnik and threatening sanctions for any entities considering the Sputnik alternative. See? Nakedly and openly, in our faces, the forces representing the few at the expense of billions of people did this without a clue how to cover up what they’ve done. Now to see if the grass roots proles who got their jabs put together 2+2. How’s that gonna feel knowing you folded, took the jabs, forced your kids to take the jabs, dooming ALL of you? I wanna see the Houdini factions in the media escape this one.

And I never thought I’d see a bigger assassination story bigger than President John F. Kennedy. • Replies: @Tom67, @Rahan, @MarkU ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Badger Down says:July 15, 2021 at 3:51 am GMT • 2.4 days ago@Skeptikal

Earth to Skeptical:
The covid vaccines are not supposed to do any of the things you suggest. Not one of them. I’d explain, but you wouldn’t understand. • Replies: @Skeptikal, @MarkU ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Badger Down says:July 15, 2021 at 3:52 am GMT • 2.4 days ago@Skeptikal

The word is continually. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Subscribe to New ColumnsAnthony Aaron says:July 15, 2021 at 4:30 am GMT • 2.3 days ago@Colin Wright

There are those who’ve been saying for quite a while that the vaccine is the point of all of this … to get folks vaccinated in order to push the agenda.

This could get interesting … and very dangerous for millions across the globe. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Ultrafart the Brave says: • WebsiteJuly 15, 2021 at 5:09 am GMT • 2.3 days ago • 400 Words   @Skeptikal

A vaccination is supposed to prevent infection and disease, kill the virus, prevent transmission (because nothing left to transmit, duh).

Yes, a vaccination is indeed supposed to prevent infection and transmission of a disease – in other words. a vaccination is supposed to immunize the recipient.

Now here’s a news flash for anyone who hasn’t been paying attention – the American CDC and all the “vaccine” manufacturers freely admit that their vaccines neither stop infection nor transmission of Corona Chan.

These “vaccines” were never designed to do that – they were only designed to “reduce symptoms”, and that’s all their trials were designed to evaluate, before they were unleashed on an unwitting public. [MORE] • Replies: @Skeptikal ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Toza says:July 15, 2021 at 5:11 am GMT • 2.3 days ago@Gilad Atzmon

Thank you for your quick reply.
Keep up with the great work! • Agree: Gilad Atzmon ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Mulga Mumblebrain says:July 15, 2021 at 8:05 am GMT • 2.2 days ago • 100 Words   @Colin Wright

A ‘civilization’ with no purpose but to make money and accumulate it by stealing it from others, is akin to an aggressive cancer-inevitably it kills its host, in the West’s case both ‘society’ and the natural world that sustains our existence. I’m certain we won’t make 2050, unless the Chinese take over, but 2030 is starting to look dodgy, too. • Replies: @aj54 ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Tom67 says:July 15, 2021 at 8:41 am GMT • 2.2 days ago@Jim Christian

Sputnik V is an adino virus based so called vector vaccine. Like Astra Seneca but supposedly better. Nevertheless my 47 years old healthy brother in law died 1 week after getting the second shot • Replies: @Half Back, @Tsar Nicholas ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Rahan says:July 15, 2021 at 9:27 am GMT • 2.1 days ago • 600 Words   @Jim Christian

Anyone know how Sputnik V is doing in this regard? Those goddamned evil motherfuckers knew the side effects of mRNA with their phoney efficacy rates all the while banning Sputnik and threatening sanctions for any entities considering the Sputnik alternative.

The West is currently using 4 vaccines:
a) RNA serums Pfeizer and Moderna
b) Adenoviral vector shots Astra Zeneca and Johnson & Johnson

Sputnik V is i the same family tree, tech wise, like Astra Zeneca and Johnson and Johnson, and produces comparable “under the weather” symptoms after the shot and the same overall effect. India also has one of those, called CoviShield. The Ukraine uses it because it can’t use Sputnik for political reasons.

So, if a non-globohomo country tries to get Astra Zeneca and double Johnson type vaccines, but they are too expensive or waiting for their turn takes too long–they place an order on the Russian Sputnik V and or the Indian Covishield. Same vector vax tech, different source.

If one wants an actual trad vaccine that is the full virus but inactivated, as opposed to some piece of spike protein or a program command to the immune system to reorganize itself for great justice, then one chooses the Chinese vaccines Sinopharm and Sinovac. Russia and India also make the trad dead virus vax, but don’t really export it. They only export the “fancy modern vector” type.

Belarus offers Sputnik V tourism–if a European wants a non-globohomo jab. The tiny euro state of San Marino also used its non-EU status to instantly vaccinate itself with Sputnik V and also offers it to tourists now.

Most places in the world that can afford it, use multiple source vaccines: western serums + Russian + Chinese + Indian. The members of the “euroatlantic” globohommo citadel use only the proscribed Pfeizer and or Moderna and or Astra Zeneca and or Johnson & Johnson. With very few exceptions, such as Hungary, which made bilateral deals and uses everything.
https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/country/hungary/

By using western, Russian, Chinese, and Indian vaccines at the same time, Hungary is now the most vaccinated country in Europe (not counting micro-states like San Marino or Malta)
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2021/health/global-covid-vaccinations/

It’s on the same level of vaccination like Israel, the UK, and the US, but through using a wide choice of vaccines, as opposed to Israel, the US, and the US.

Countries which due to political conflicts or alliances can’t use the Russian vax (Chile, Ukraine), use the Chinese vax and the Indian vax, but only the core globohomo countries plus their allies such as Saudi Arabia use only Pfeizer or only Astra Zeneca, etc with no Russian vax, no Chinese vax, and no Indian vax.

With thus currently have three groups:
1) Those who are still behind with the vaccinations
2) Those who are ahead in mass vaccination, but with only 1-2 types of globogomo vax
3) Those who are ahead in mass vaccination, but with only 1-2 types of Asian and Eurasian vax
4) Those who are ahead in mass vaccination, but with diversity of vax types

We’ll soon see what works out how, as long as the censorship isn’t too total.

At the time of writing, vaccination is mandatory for everyone in only three places: Central Asian satrapies Turkmenistan and Tajikistan, and… the Vatican. (which likely only confirms certain views about today’s Vatican for some people)
https://www.statista.com/chart/25326/obligatory-vaccination-against-covid-19/

Turkmenistan is using two Russian vaccines and negotiating with China; Tajikistan is using Astra Zeneca plus a Chinese trad vax, and the Vatican–only adrenochrome. No, sorry, typo, only Pfeizer. • Thanks: Skeptikal • Replies: @Tom67 ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
animalogic says:July 15, 2021 at 9:52 am GMT • 2.1 days ago@JasonT

“The black death was caused by poor sanitation (mainly), poor hygeiene and poor nutrition”
It was caused by a bacteria — the rest helped it succeed. • Replies: @JasonT ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Jim Richard says:July 15, 2021 at 10:19 am GMT • 2.1 days ago

So we have charts listing infections. How about illnesses? And why are asymptomatic people being tested anyway? Oh, that’s right, it’s free. How many “asymptomatic” people would get tested if they were told to come on in, and bring your $145 with you. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter
JasonT says:July 15, 2021 at 11:59 am GMT • 2.0 days ago • 100 Words   @animalogic

I know that bubonic plague is caused by a bacterium, which presents as flu-like symptoms. The Black Death was a specific mass die-off event, which would not have happened with poor sanitation, poor hygiene and poor nutrition (therefore the latter three are the cause of the Black Death). We have lived every day throughout history with a myriad of pathogens (including the bacterium that causes bubonic plague) and other toxins. Our bodies are designed to deal with that. But if we abuse our bodies and our environment, then some or other pathogen or toxin will take advantage of that resulting in a mass culling like the Black Death. • Thanks: but an humble craftsman • Replies: @animalogic ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
MidwesternGreyMan says:July 15, 2021 at 12:13 pm GMT • 2.0 days ago@willem1

Trying to make something out of this one set of statistics is vastly oversimplistic.

Perhaps, but if your car is speeding towards a brick wall, you don’t jump out to do mineralogy tests to determine if your car might pass through it. You apply the brakes. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Anon62 says:July 15, 2021 at 12:43 pm GMT • 2.0 days ago • 300 Words   @A123

The machanism may involve evolutionary pressures.
The virus is not a static element but is contiuually evolving new variants.
These variants demonstrate different characteristics reflected in changes in transmissibility, changes in lethality / severity etc.
The present vaccines address the virus as it existed at one point in time. Viral replication will result in viral variants that are unaffected by vaccine prophhylaxis. These new variants will therefore spread within the human population until they become the dominant form. The prior variants will become evolutionary “dead ends” and will cease to be present.

What typically occurs is that as the pandemic progresses the variants trend toward a higher degree of transmissibility (they more easily infect the target population and therefore become the dominant form within that target population) and a lower degree of lethality (the lethal vaiants kill off the host, die with the host, and therefore are eliminated from the evolutionary pool).

The lay interpretation of this is that COVID-19 should, over time, trend toward becoming a “medical nuisance” like the common flu and less of a critical threat to the population.

The figures being presented suggest the possibility that some characteristic of the vaccinated indivividual results in an increased vulnurability to new virus variants – that the variants may be exploiting some characterics created by, or associated with, the vaccine.

I am not a virologist or greatly knowledgeable in evolutionary biology / epidemology so an individual with a better background in the science may wish to correct any lay misunderstandings contained in the above hypothesis. • Replies: @Rev. Spooner ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Skeptikal says:July 15, 2021 at 1:00 pm GMT • 2.0 days ago@Colin Wright

Well, yeah.

But that was not the line of thought of the original comment I responded to.

The line of thought was medical, not practical—caving in to compulsion to get along.

So this is basically a non sequitur. • Replies: @Colin Wright ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Skeptikal says:July 15, 2021 at 1:07 pm GMT • 2.0 days ago • 100 Words   @Badger Down

The fact that they are “not supposed to do any of things” I “suggest” is the point, dear Badger.

They are not vaccines. It is the Patent Office that has determined what is a vaccine and what a vaccine is supposed to do. And the Patent Office lists those three benchmarks.

Not me.

This is why they rejected Fauci”s two applications for patents on mRNA jabs. They were not vaccines.

It is incredible that Big Pharma have been able to get away with calling these jabs vaccines.

Per Dr. Robert Malone there is a separate designation for “gene therapy vaccines”–separate from plain “vaccine,” which is a traditional vaccines. Per Malone The FDA has a different testing checklist for such shots, a longer one—but this checklist was not followed.

You can cram your snarky little comment about my “understanding” you know where!!
Have a nice day! ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Skeptikal says:July 15, 2021 at 1:13 pm GMT • 2.0 days ago • 100 Words   @Ultrafart the Brave

Thanks!
Glad to see some common sense around here on this issue.

BTW, I just read this—a sidelight on a larger story:

“. . . On Sunday, her [[Khalida Jarrar’s]] daughter Suha was found dead, apparently from cardiac arrest. Suha’s body was found about five hours after her death, after her sister in Canada was unable to reach her by phone and asked friends to break into the house.. . ”

I wonder whether Suha had been jabbed.

Here is the whole disgusting story, by Gideon Levy, of the treatment of Jarrar:

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-israel-should-have-treated-khalida-jarrar-with-humanity-1.10000031 ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Greta Handel says:July 15, 2021 at 1:50 pm GMT • 2.0 days ago@Greta Handel

Fifty comments so far, with no refutation of Mr. Atzmon’s cited sources, reported data, or insights. • Replies: @A123 ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Gilad Atzmon says:July 15, 2021 at 2:52 pm GMT • 1.9 days ago@Skeptikal

I am not sure ,,but because I flew in from Greece a gig in the UK last month meant 10 days quarantine 4 tests … I prefer not to tour at the moment … • Replies: @Skeptikal ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
4Truth says:July 15, 2021 at 2:53 pm GMT • 1.9 days ago@Zumbuddi

“Vaccines” are a bio-weapon, working as intended. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Fr. John says:July 15, 2021 at 3:07 pm GMT • 1.9 days ago

Planned Genocide.

“If we do a good job on vaccines, health and reproduction, we can reduce the world population by 10-15%. Only a genocide can save the world”.
That’s right ….Bill Gates.

Crimes against Humanity. May God defend the Right. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter
MarkU says:July 15, 2021 at 3:43 pm GMT • 1.9 days ago • 100 Words   @Jim Christian

I read on RT that a 3rd dose of Sputnik V was on the cards, at least in Moscow, because of the rising number of cases and fatalities. I don’t think that is encouraging. It appears that all of the new style ‘vaccines’ offer questionable and/or short lived protection and at significant risk. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
MarkU says:July 15, 2021 at 3:55 pm GMT • 1.9 days ago • 100 Words   @Badger Down

The covid vaccines are not supposed to do any of the things you suggest.

I think you have inadvertently blurted out the truth.

You have just stated that the Covid vaccines are not supposed to prevent infection and disease, kill the virus or prevent transmission. Isn’t that exactly what the ‘conspiracy theorists’ are saying? What point are you trying to make? • Thanks: Skeptikal ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Rev. Spooner says:July 15, 2021 at 4:19 pm GMT • 1.9 days ago@Anon62

I think you are right. This Delta variant, though more transmissible is even less lethal. All the rest is just hype. • Replies: @Half Back ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Altai says:July 15, 2021 at 5:02 pm GMT • 1.8 days ago • 200 Words   

And yet, since in Israel only 57% of the population is fully vaccinated, one would expect the balance between Delta cases in Israel to be shared by a rate that doesn’t exceed beyond a 6:4 ratio between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

That doesn’t track at all. The efficacy of the vaccine is not complete and older people with weaker immune systems are still much more likely to be symptomatic and thus both get a covid test and be hospitalised.

It also assumes that the risk profile of behaviour between those vaccinated and those who aren’t is the same. It won’t be. People will engage in risk compensation, (And more likely inappropriate risk compensation due to a belief that their vaccine was effective or that others were effective or through not giving enough time after vaccination) particularly groups like Hassids who so openly welcomed vaccination as a means to get back to their usual social/religious life that has proven so effective at spreading covid both in Israel and in the US.

If 100% of the most vulnerable (In reality, cohorts who made up almost entirely the cases hospitalised) have been vaccinated then you would still expect them to make up the majority of those put in hospital because the vaccine doesn’t always work at rates high enough to make sure they’re still the majority and because even in those in whom it does work, their response could still be severe enough to go to hospital. • Replies: @MarkU ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
A123 says:July 15, 2021 at 5:05 pm GMT • 1.8 days ago • 100 Words   @Greta Handel

Fifty comments so far, with no refutation of Mr. Atzmon’s cited sources, reported data, or insights.

Various sources will concur that the Pfizer vaccine is limited against Delta.

The author seems to be jumping ahead of the data asserting that there is a negative impact from the vaccine, however this:
— Does not mean that the hypothesis is wrong (refutation)
— It merely means that the hypothesis remains unproven

Inflicting damage that widely increases susceptibility is very different than simply being ineffective.
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The question that has not been addressed so far — Would someone, with the necessary scientific background, please provide a detailed mechanism on how a Coronavirus vaccine might make an individual *more susceptible* to Coronavirus?

Terrible.
At this point there is no prospect of traveling to and from Europe.

It looks to me like the UK is descending quite quickly into a dictatorship or something resembling it. Dictatorship of twits.

Brian Gerrish and Mike Robinson at the UK Column give an overview of I think 8 pieces of legislation coming up for parliamentary votes in the near future and they all make one’s blood run cold. Not only the intent of the bills, but the Orwellian language they use.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-14th-july-2021

They provide all of their links as documentation, as you can see. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Skeptikal says:July 15, 2021 at 5:38 pm GMT • 1.8 days ago • 100 Words   @A123

A lot has been published online about this phenomenon.

Pathogenic priming.
Also, paradoxical immune enhancement phenomenon.

Look them up.

Briefly, and oversimplifyingly, mRNA vaccines target only a very specific gene sequence.

If, later, the jabbee encounters the same or a similar virus in the wild, the antibodies created by the action of the mRNA vector can’t recognize the new enemy and fight it off.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7142689/ • Thanks: A123 ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
aj54 says:July 15, 2021 at 5:38 pm GMT • 1.8 days ago • 100 Words   @Miro23

The US is still putting out fictitious claims about the infection and mortality rate of the variant, and urging “moar vax!” especially to children, who are basically at 0% risk. They are covering up these outcomes in the vaxxed for the sake of corporate profits. And possibly to the glee of global eugenicists. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
aj54 says:July 15, 2021 at 5:40 pm GMT • 1.8 days ago@Mulga Mumblebrain

I would give it a couple more years, maybe to 2034 or 5 ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
MarkU says:July 15, 2021 at 5:55 pm GMT • 1.8 days ago • 100 Words   @Altai

I don’t agree with your risk aversion point at all, indeed I would argue the very opposite.

The people most frightened by the virus, most happy with mask wearing and least likely to attend public gatherings are the same people that were most eager to be ‘vaccinated’. Or to put it another way, the people who choose to decline ‘vaccination’ are obviously people who are less likely to consider the virus a risk and hence more likely to exhibit ‘risky’ behaviour. I live in the UK not Israel btw but in both countries ‘vaccination’ rates are amongst the highest in the world and adult ‘vaccination’ status in both countries is almost entirely a matter of choice. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Anon62 says:July 15, 2021 at 6:02 pm GMT • 1.8 days ago • 200 Words   @A123

Possible mechanism for increased susceptibility hpothesis:

1) mRNA vaccine involves the injection of foreign (i.e. unknown to the subject being treated) mRNA.
2) This mRNA causes the subject’s body to create the protein associated with the SARS-CoV-2 “spike” feature.
3) The victim’s immune system recognizes this new protein and activates to defend against it and neutralize it.
4) This neutralization is successfully accomplished
5) The victim’s body now “recognizes” the new protein and is primed to defend against it
6) On encountering “real world” SARS-CoV-2 spike protein the victim’s immune system is better prepared to address and neutralize it with the result the victim is unaffected by the virus or less affected than they would be if unvaccinated.
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My lay hunch (and human beings have thrived for eons depending on nothing more than their hunches) is that something goes wrong between step 3 and 4. Instead of being primed to defeat the foreign protein the victim’s body recognizes the new protein as something it created, that it is not a foreign entity but is a commonplace domestic home brew event like the thousands of other proteins hormones and effluvia found in the human corpus.
The outcome of this response may result in the victim’s immune system failing to fight the virus when it is found in the “real world” with the outcome of an increasing severity of the viral infection. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Old Brown Fool says:July 15, 2021 at 6:23 pm GMT • 1.8 days ago • 100 Words   

Even if I am forced to ignore cheap but “untested” treatments like HCQS and Ivermectin, I am still forced to ask a simple question: why no one is paying any attention to simple solutions like changing the pH value of the throat; from what little I could observe around me, those with bad habits like chewing tobacco, or the oriental betel leaves, are also not much among the seriously ill. This should trigger some curiosity among the doctors. I think that changing the pH value of the throat helps control the virus. Many here (in India) now keep a few grains of black pepper, or cardamom, or cloves, in their mouth and they say it is working. • Thanks: Alfred • Replies: @Skeptikal ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Tom67 says:July 15, 2021 at 7:33 pm GMT • 1.7 days ago • 100 Words   @Rahan

My sister in law in Mongolia is a family doctor. Mongolians hate China and Chinese. Nevertheless she unequivocally states that the Chinese Sinovac shot (attenuated live virus – vaccine made the traditional way) has no side effects. But the fancy western and russian ones all do. If you are forced to take a shot and have a choice choose the Sinovac one • Replies: @Rahan ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
hillaire says:July 15, 2021 at 7:56 pm GMT • 1.7 days ago@willem1

Are vaccinated people being less careful due to their belief that they are “protected”, and therefore exposing themselves more readily to infection?

the level of imbecility in this sentence alone requires one disregards anything this imbecile may have to say…

though he may of course be a comedian.. riffing on the fact that the experimental gene therapies are making the proles ‘poorly’ and that term includes ‘rich’ peasants as well, they to0 have been ‘targeted’…. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Colin Wright says: • WebsiteJuly 15, 2021 at 8:01 pm GMT • 1.7 days ago@Skeptikal

‘So this is basically a non sequitur.’

It goes without saying that unless you’re elderly and in poor health, getting the vaccine is somewhat worse than pointless, medically speaking. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
hillaire says:July 15, 2021 at 8:10 pm GMT • 1.7 days ago • 100 Words   @Colin Wright

…and the Empire will be restored. But here’s the depressing bit: what will be restored won’t be what was there before — any more than it was in Rome. Left or Right, it’s not going to be nearly as pleasant as what we once had. You can say adios to the moral scruples, the tolerance, the breadth of vision, the willingness to engage in reasoned debate, the humanity…

Haha my apologies, I thought for a moment there that you were talking about the yankee asylum…

the one north of mexico.. but then I realised that one of us had made a terrible mistake.. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
hillaire says:July 15, 2021 at 8:22 pm GMT • 1.7 days ago • 100 Words   @Colin Wright

You wont be doing much partying if you are a cognitive vegetable…

far better to get get friends (enemies waiting to happen) and family (unavoidable imbeciles) jabbed first, then massage some fake ‘stats’ into you your ‘risk assessment’…

voila.. you could get a ‘position’ with the CDC (think of all that ‘flying’ and privilege’.. as long as you avoid a vegetative outcome)… ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
utu says:July 15, 2021 at 8:22 pm GMT • 1.7 days ago • 200 Words   

Is it possible that the vaccinated are more susceptible to the virus or its new strain than the unvaccinated? That would be an extraordinary hypothesis that would require a special attention to data particularly when we are dealing with small numbers. Numbers are small because infections rate in Israel in May and June is very low.

First, the numbers need to be age adjusted and normalized. Age profiles among vaccinated and unvaccinated populations are different. Second, the numbers are relatively small so they do not represent spatial distribution of the epidemic in Israel. It is possible that there are clusters in which unvaccinated-to-vaccinated ratio does not represent the national ratio which means that then the normalization would not do its job. What if the vaccinated and unvaccinated came from two separate clusters?

Are the data in the 2nd table valid? I checked in worldometers.info infections for two periods: (2/5-5/6) and (6/6 -3/7) and they are two about times higher than what is the sum of the 4th and the 8th columns in the 2nd table.

It is interesting that the author and some commenters display a mentality of hyenas who really want the vaccination program to fail just so they could claim “I told you so”. They would kill their mother or son just for a bragging right. Pitifully pathetic bunch. • Replies: @RMM, @Dumbo ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Bill Jones says:July 15, 2021 at 8:35 pm GMT • 1.7 days ago

So the Israeli’s are killing Israeli’s instead of Palestinians?

Where’s the the tragedy? ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter
Skeptikal says:July 15, 2021 at 9:19 pm GMT • 1.6 days ago • 500 Words   @Old Brown Fool

Last year it was reported that smokers had lower infection rates, or illness rates or something.

Most scoffed at that, including me, but maybe there was something to it. Not that I think anyone should start to smoke for that reason.

I agree that we really could look more closely at boosting the surfaces of mucous membranes that are the front lines where the innate immune system in deployed to knock out any interlopers as soon as they land.

Now here’s a piece of quackery/crackpottery that will really drive our host crazy.
But humming can’t be wrong, so why not give it a try?
Humming one of your favorite hymns might be twice as effective! Start with “Amazing Grace.”
Plus, didn’t your mother tell you to breathe through your nose????
Actually, as singers know, humming creates vibrations throughout the head and chest cavity that also loosens any gunk in your lungs and brings to where you can cough it out and generally warms up muscles in the throat and the vocal chords.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12119224/

“Humming greatly increases nasal nitric oxide”

Abstract

“The paranasal sinuses are major producers of nitric oxide (NO). We hypothesized that oscillating airflow produced by humming would enhance sinus ventilation and thereby increase nasal NO levels. Ten healthy subjects took part in the study. Nasal NO was measured with a chemiluminescence technique during humming and quiet single-breath exhalations at a fixed flow rate. NO increased 15-fold during humming compared with quiet exhalation. In a two-compartment model of the nose and sinus, oscillating airflow caused a dramatic increase in gas exchange between the cavities. Obstruction of the sinus ostium is a central event in the pathogenesis of sinusitis. Nasal NO measurements during humming may be a useful noninvasive test of sinus NO production and ostial patency. In addition, any therapeutic effects of the improved sinus ventilation caused by humming should be investigated.”

Why NO anyhow?

“The role of NO in COVID-19 and potential therapeutic strategies”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7754882/

“Nitric oxide (NO) is a free radical playing an important pathophysiological role in cardiovascular and immune systems. Recent studies reported that NO levels were significantly lower in patients with COVID-19, which was suggested to be closely related to vascular dysfunction and immune inflammation among them. In this review, we examine the potential role of NO during SARS-CoV-2 infection from the perspective of the unique physical, chemical and biological properties and potential mechanisms of NO in COVID-19, as well as possible therapeutic strategies using inhaled NO. We also discuss the limits of NO treatment, and the future application of this approach in prevention and therapy of COVID-19.”

There you have it!
Have a nice day. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
independent109 says:July 15, 2021 at 9:28 pm GMT • 1.6 days ago

The Deagle Report has the population of the US projected to be around 100 million by 2025. Approximately 230 million less or 70% less. Coincidental that Biden is calling for 70% vaccinated by July? ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter
TheJamesRocket says:July 15, 2021 at 10:20 pm GMT • 1.6 days ago • 100 Words   @Colin Wright

It’s interesting that you cite the Roman Empire. I’d say we’re entering something akin to the Third Century crisis…and the Empire will be restored.

No, it won’t. Theres only one way these series of crises will end: With the collapse of America and its tenuous empire. The country itself will fall into chaos and Balkanize. There will be no restoration. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Half Back says:July 15, 2021 at 10:36 pm GMT • 1.6 days ago • 300 Words   @Tom67

Condolences Tom.

They have kept from you the real chances from which one can make a ‘informed choice. Thier is very little data on deaths from vaccines.
The Uk which publish their date i found the following statics ( self calculated. )
Astrazeneca 45 million doses
Deaths 960
You have one in a 46,875 chance of dying from the ‘shot’.
Long term effects unknown.
Pfizer 30 million shots
Deaths 450
You have a one in 66,666 chance of dying. ( im aware of the religious significance, funny is’t it)
Long term effects unknown

The shots i took the liberty of small rounding.

I have advised my 15yr old boy not to take the vaccine as his his chance of dying from Coronavirus (unvaccinated) is roughly 2.5 million to one. This information is hard to come by and i forgot where i got it, however for age groups (teens) it is accurate.
As the darhourse podcast said bio ethics, the major ones are kept from you. You cant give informed consent if they keep from you important statistics. They should not be scared to say this is a emergency release vaccine. So the chance of death of the vaccine for teen is much greater the threat of the virus- why are they pushing hard on groups which you could also add the group 20-30 yrs 0ld.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

As of 30 June, an estimated 19.1 million first doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and 24.6 million first doses of the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca had been administered, and around 11.2 million and 21.5 million second doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca respectively. An approximate 1 million first doses of the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna have also now been administered.

The estimated number of doses administered differs from the estimated number of people vaccinated due to the different data sources used.
The MHRA has received 450 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 960 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, six for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified. • Replies: @Tsar Nicholas, @aj54 ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
RMM says:July 15, 2021 at 10:37 pm GMT • 1.6 days ago@follyofwar

Yes, it’s a typo. Obviously 2021.
This is bad news indeed. And there is no use blaming the disaster on “Delta”: virus evolve all the time, and soon they’ll ne blaming “Beta”, “Kappa” etc., while vaccinating furiously, and even more furiously mandating vaccine passports and more lockdowns… ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Half Back says:July 15, 2021 at 11:07 pm GMT • 1.6 days ago • 100 Words   @Rev. Spooner

You right Reverend,

and on page 17 you get deaths from delta- It way less virulent for deaths than say Alpha.

Also note fully vac 2 shots deaths at 118, unvac 92 deaths, all deaths page 17

SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under … – Gov.uk

..Search ‘Variants of concern VOC Technical briefing 18 (1)

England. Technical briefing 18. 9 July 2021 … Table 1 shows the current variants of concern (VOC), variants under investigation (VUI) and those in monitoring.
56 pages
SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under … – Gov.uk pdf ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Bill Jones says:July 15, 2021 at 11:31 pm GMT • 1.6 days ago@Colin Wright

The purpose of the wars is to have wars, the purpose of the covid is to have vaccines. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
RMM says:July 15, 2021 at 11:54 pm GMT • 1.5 days ago • 300 Words   @utu

“Is it possible that the vaccinated are more susceptible to the virus… than the unvaccinated? That would be an extraordinary hypothesis.”
The hypothesis is not new: there’ve been many discussions about a vaccine-induced “Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) (an exaggerated immune reaction), which is “a major reason why many previous vaccine trials for other coronaviruses failed”.
(1) This is from a November 2020 Petition to EMA to stop “clinical trials” of these “vaccine candidates” by Dr. med. Wolfgang Wodarg, a lung specialist at “Biontech Se”:
This [Covid-19] vaccine-induced ADE phenomenon, Dr Wodarg write, “causes a generally dysregulation of the immune system that allows the virus to cause more damage to our lungs and other organs of our body.”
“ADE has proven to be a serious challenge with coronavirus vaccines, and this is the primary reason why many of such vaccines have failed in early in-vitro or animal trials.”
https://corona-ausschuss.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Wodarg_EMA_Petition_Pfizer_Trial_FINAL_30NOV2020_EN_unsigned_with_Exhibits.pdf
(2) Many other scientists and physicians have voiced the same concern, including the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research Dr. Michael Yeadon: “In the case of individuals receiving COVID-19 vaccines, ADE could not only end up enhancing disease severity but could also lead to organ damage.” 31/12/20 – COVID ‘vaccines’ are a medical experiment on humanity — Health & Wellness — Sott.net
(3) Johns Hopkins’ Dr Naor Bar-Zeev and Dr. Tom Inglesby, who also worried about this ADE problem, have underlined as one of four specific qualities/pluses of Sputnik V, the fact that the Russian vaccine induces “a T-helper1-cell-weighted response that might be important for vaccine safety, potentially reducing the risk of antibody-dependent enhanced disease.” https://sputnikvaccine.com/newsroom/testimonials/
There are many more such articles, studies, and ignored or ridiculed warnings, petitions, objurgations and representations, all warning that most of these vaccines may make things worse… • Replies: @utu ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Tsar Nicholas says:July 15, 2021 at 11:56 pm GMT • 1.5 days ago@Tom67

I’m sorry to hear that. My condolences.

There seems to be little solid data on the Sputnik V and I hear that in Russia, despite promises, Putin has quietly introduced mandatory jabs and QR codes.

Do you mind if I ask in which country your late brother resided? ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Tsar Nicholas says:July 16, 2021 at 12:01 am GMT • 1.5 days ago@Half Back

Here is a summary of the UK data to June 23rd.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/07/05/vaccine-safety-update-8/ ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Rahan says:July 16, 2021 at 1:59 am GMT • 1.5 days ago@Tom67

Sounds about right. But careful, man, this is borderline self-doxxing. Maybe in the future “a friend of a friend told me” or “I read on a Mongolian basket-weaving forum” or “a woman I barely know told me over pints after a swinging orgy”… ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
utu says:July 16, 2021 at 3:53 am GMT • 1.4 days ago • 100 Words   @RMM

Why ADE Hasn’t Been a Problem With COVID Vaccine (March 2021)
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/91648

“the relative newness of mRNA and adenoviral vector vaccines, these vaccines, in fact, have better safety profiles in terms of ADE than older types of vaccines”

“The S protein vaccines are so much cleaner, so much more carefully defined, and so much lower risk. All you’re seeing is one protein from that virus. So the chances for ADE are much slimmer than with any of the older ways for making virus vaccines.”

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animalogic says:July 16, 2021 at 8:01 am GMT • 1.2 days ago • 100 Words   @JasonT

“which would not have happened with poor sanitation, poor hygiene and poor nutrition”
I suspect that that assertion is overly optimistic.
Maybe – maybe the plague would have not been as wide spread, perhaps it may never have started…. though that’s even more optimistic.
However the fact remains, absent antibiotics, the plague is an incrediblely infectious & fast acting disease.
Any urban environment back then could have been a breakout point. • Replies: @Skeptikal ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Subscribe to New Columnsmeamjojo says:July 16, 2021 at 8:36 am GMT • 1.2 days ago • 200 Words   

Searching for a clue in Hebrew media sources, I came across a spectacular revelation dated 6 July that showed around 85% of new COVID Delta infections in Israel are fully vaccinated.

This is because the DNA/mRNA vaccines can only program the spike protein they let loose in the body for a specific variant config. So when a new mutation/variant appears, the vaccinated will need yet another booster and another booster and and another booster. All nice profit generating shots for the pharma industry!

Here’s another story:

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?
Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated – compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.

David Rosenberg , Jul 13, 2021 9:24 AM

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.
….
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762

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Dumbo says:July 16, 2021 at 10:24 am GMT • 1.1 days ago • 500 Words   @utu

It is interesting that the author and some commenters display a mentality of hyenas who really want the vaccination program to fail just so they could claim “I told you so”. They would kill their mother or son just for a bragging right. Pitifully pathetic bunch.

In this case, you’re the pathetic one. No one wants that. Even many people who are against the vaccines or at any rate just don’t want to take the “jab”, for whatever reason, have had at least part of their families or friends who took it. Do you think they wouldn’t care if something happened to them?

In my case, many family members took the jab, and had no serious side effects. I hope it continues like that. And I hope that they are really protected, and that the vaccine ends this annoying pandemic thing. I don’t plan to take it anyway, not because of side effects, but because all this propaganda annoys the hell out of me and makes me more suspicious than safe.

I think we have to wait for Winter to see how things stand. Summer 2020 was also quieter.

So far, things are not looking so good. If 50% of the cases and dead of the “Delta variant” are among fully vaccinated people, if transmission is not stopped, if it doesn’t grant immunization, if you need to be separated from the “unvaccinated”, then what the hell is this vaccine protecting you from?

Of course, if things go wrong and cases and deaths start climbing again next Winter, I am sure they will blame the “Epsilon variant”, or the “unvaccinated”… Even though it is still unclear how the “unvaccinated” would be a risk to the “vaccinated”, unless the vaccine didn’t work…

What is also annoying is that people who lied or gave incorrect information never pay the price for their mistakes. People like Nail Ferguson and even here Karlin were screaming about “millions of dead just in America, billions in the world”. This didn’t really materialize.

They were also touting a “95% LIFETIME efficiency” of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine; now, in “real life conditions” (LOL), it has been revised to 64%, and maximum of six months (they are talking already of booster shots in the Winter).

And all this without mentioning the censorship, the attempt to avoid any kind of early treatment, or alternatives to the vaccine, the criminal early use of ventilators that killed mor than saved, the wanton destruction of small businesses with the lockdowns, the increase in teenage suicides… All these for policies that did not work…

Was it worth it?

Well, I guess for the rich and the powerful, “it was worth it”, in the same way that half a million dead Iraqi children “was worth it” to deranged criminal Madeleine Albright. • Replies: @Skeptikal, @utu ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Anon[243] • Disclaimer says:July 16, 2021 at 12:32 pm GMT • 1.0 days ago • 100 Words   

You say catastrophe like it’s a bad thing. Focusing everyone on the toll of this toxic gene therapy diverts attention from the CIA origin of this banned biological weapon. Davis’ patent analysis exposes Bob Gates’ compartmented germ warfare program. We now have ample probative evidence for Kahabarovsk II.

US vaccine deaths recently exceeded COVID deaths, so the the most urgent effect CIA’s crime against humanity is the corrupt and drastic response. • Replies: @metamars ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Skeptikal says:July 16, 2021 at 1:16 pm GMT • 23.6 hours ago • 300 Words   @animalogic

Off-topic, but poor hygiene has been raised as a reason for the Black Death:
““which would not have happened with poor sanitation, poor hygiene and poor nutrition””

Actually, people in Medieval Europe were not dirty and unhygienic. This assumption is refuted by a lot of evidence, both written and visual. There were a lot of public baths, and common people used them about once/week. Families would traipse from their homes to the public baths. Out in the feudal countryside this might of course have been different—most of the artworks depicting people in baths and accounts of how often common people bathed look like they are in urban settings. You can get plenty of information on this by doing a search for “bathing in the Middle Ages” or something similar. They also washed hands and faces.

One search result:

“Typically speaking, people bathed once a week during the Middle Ages. Private baths were extremely rare – basically nobody had them – but public bathhouses were actually quite common.”

In fact, it looks like bathing dropped off in later centuries as a result of Protestant prudery. The Middle Ages were not that prudish. Also, I think Northern Europe had a more hygienic profile than Italy, Spain, etc.

Here is the result of an image search for “bathing in medieval Europe”:
https://www.google.com/search?q=bathing+in+Medieval+Europe&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiZ7qHC1efxAhUNFlkFHXgkAXgQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1396&bih=663#imgrc=vXfYDkU-2fD4tM • Replies: @animalogic, @Sparkon ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Skeptikal says:July 16, 2021 at 1:21 pm GMT • 23.5 hours ago@Dumbo

Thanks for the sensible response to the vicious whack job ootoo.

For many, rejecting the jab has become a combination of precautionary principle and matter of conscience.

To me it is absolutely incredible how people who would never knowingly consume any GMO foods and who spend extra dollars on organic vegetables and grass-fed beef are happily letting Big Pharma inject synthetic genetic material and who knows what else into their bodies. Stuff that can actually hijack their own physiological processes, plus replicate.

What is going on here? ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
animalogic says:July 16, 2021 at 1:40 pm GMT • 23.2 hours ago@Skeptikal

“In fact, it looks like bathing dropped off in later centuries as a result of Protestant prudery”
That I can believe ! ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
metamars says:July 16, 2021 at 2:19 pm GMT • 22.6 hours ago • 100 Words   @Anon

Why do you say “CIA origin”? I used to blame primarily Fauci for the gain-of-function research, via Eco Health, done in Wuhan; but then I learned that Eco Health got more money from the DoD than from NIH. However, I also wonder if Fauci is being used for a fall guy by the main perps, as certain lines of evidence point to a US origin. Such as 5 strains present in the US, only 1 in China.

I think the main stream US media’s been silent about the DoD funding of Eco Health.

Imagine the liability of the US government….. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
utu says:July 16, 2021 at 5:09 pm GMT • 19.7 hours ago • 200 Words   @Dumbo

What is also annoying is that people who lied or gave incorrect information never pay the price for their mistakes. People like Nail Ferguson and even here Karlin were screaming about “millions of dead just in America, billions in the world”. This didn’t really materialize.

You are irrational.

It did not materialize thanks to Ferguson predictions. His predictions were very simple. He did not need any sophisticated modeling: from IFR=1% and that 70% population may get infected before reaching herd immunity implies: 66 million * 0.7* 0.01 =460,000 deaths in UK and 320 million * 0.7* 0.01 =2.2 million deaths in the US. These numbers did not materialize because we had all kinds of countermeasures and mitigations and thus in the UK 129k died and in the US 600k died which is about factor of 3.5 less than the predictions for the unconstrained spread of the pandemic. Masking, social distancing and lockdowns worked. It could have been better like in New Zealand or Taiwan.

Why are are you so irrational that you can’t think straight? Fortunately not everybody in your family is: “many family members took the jab”. • LOL: Skeptikal ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Anon[805] • Disclaimer says:July 16, 2021 at 5:44 pm GMT • 19.1 hours ago • 100 Words   

Metamars, I say CIA because CIA commandeers DoD assets and facilities at will (that’s where that unauditable trillion-dollar black hole at the Pentagon comes from) and puts its most secret secret agents anywhere it wants in government. CIA also has impunity in municipal law, so it has the option of settling bureaucratic turf battles by killing some pukes. When people say the government, what they’re really talking about is CIA. They’re the ones in charge. • Replies: @metamars ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Polemos says:July 16, 2021 at 6:43 pm GMT • 18.2 hours ago • 300 Words   

https://www.quodlibet.it/giorgio-agamben-cittadini-di-seconda-classe

Not my translation but a friend’s:

Second-class citizens
As happens every time a despotic regime of emergency is established and constitutional guarantees are suspended, the result, as happened with the Jews under fascism, is discrimination against a category of men who automatically become citizens of a second class. This is the purpose of the creation of the so-called green pass. That this is a discrimination according to personal convictions [convinzioni] and not an objective scientific certainty is proven by the fact that in the scientific domain the debate is still underway as to the safety and the efficacy of the vaccines, which, according to the judgment of doctors and scientists whom there is no reason to ignore, were produced in a frenzy and without adequate testing.

Despite this, those who abide in their own free and informed conviction and refuse to be vaccinated will be excluded from social life. That the vaccine is transformed into a sort of political-religious symbol aimed at creating a discrimination [una discriminazione] among citizens is evident in the irresponsible statement of a politician, who, referring to those who do not vaccinate, has said, without noticing he was using a fascist jargon: “we will purge them with the green pass.” The “green pass” constitutes those who are without it as bearers of a virtual yellow star.

This is a matter of fact, the political gravity of which could not be overstated. What becomes of a country in which a discriminated class is created? How can one accept to live with second-class citizens? The need to discriminate is as old as society and certainly forms of discrimination were present even in our so-called democratic societies; but that these factual discriminations are sanctioned by law is a barbarity we cannot accept.

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metamars says:July 16, 2021 at 7:15 pm GMT • 17.6 hours ago • 100 Words   @Anon

I don’t remember details, but I have no recollection, either, of Fletcher Prouty saying

“CIA commandeers DoD assets and facilities at will ”
or
“that’s where that unauditable trillion-dollar black hole at the Pentagon comes from”

Prouty was the model for the X character in Oliver Stone’s movie “JFK”. He was a laison between the Air Force and the CIA. I think he would have known about both your claims, which you assert, but don’t link to any evidence of said assertions.

The Deep State, in general, seems to be hunky dory with the grossly dysfunctional ‘response’ to the pandemic, no matter how it originated. So, no gold medals for either the CIA, or the Pentagon. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Sparkon says:July 16, 2021 at 8:01 pm GMT • 16.9 hours ago • 300 Words   @Skeptikal

As for the bubonic plague, most authorities say it is caused by bites from fleas carrying the Yersinia pestis bacterium, and/or from aerosols exhaled by infected individuals. Good hygiene will not stop either of those modes of transmission, but please see my penultimate paragraph, below.

There is evidence that once it came ashore, the Black Death was in large part spread by fleas – which cause pneumonic plague – and the person-to-person contact via aerosols which pneumonic plague enables, thus explaining the very fast inland spread of the epidemic, which was faster than would be expected if the primary vector was rat fleas causing bubonic plague.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death

Back to COVID-19 in the United States, the nation’s largest county, LA county, will reimpose indoor mask mandates beginning at 11: 59 pm on July 17, 2021 after daily case loads had increased to about seven-fold in the recent past during the 30 days since California “reopened,” and state health authorities decreed that masks were not required for those who’d been vaccinated.

https://apnews.com/article/health-california-coronavirus-pandemic-3b893ce7a9dbbfaeb4eb6161edebf4e6

According to the AP article, “The vast majority of new cases are among unvaccinated people.” However, the article goes on to note:

Meanwhile, north of San Francisco, at least 59 residents at a homeless shelter have tested positive for the virus. Of those infected at the Santa Rosa shelter, 28 were fully vaccinated, Dr. Sundari Mase, Sonoma County’s health officer, said Wednesday.

My opinion is that there’s still far too much that remains unknown about this virus, and also about the vaccines.

Masking up, good hand hygiene, and social distancing still seem to be the safest, most prudent tactics to protect yourself and others against SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19.

Be safe. Stay well. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
bike-anarkist says:July 16, 2021 at 8:11 pm GMT • 16.7 hours ago@Toronto Mike

I take #2 for $1000! ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
aj54 says:July 16, 2021 at 8:44 pm GMT • 16.1 hours ago@Half Back

the CDC website released the update to the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) covid vax stats to say that there are now over 9000 reports of death and over 438k adverse events reported in the USA ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
guibus says:July 16, 2021 at 9:50 pm GMT • 15.0 hours ago@Miro23

It’s not a disaster for them, the western governments, it’s just working as planned, at least for the cabal, not the kosher goyim who serve them. ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
anonymous[776] • Disclaimer says:July 17, 2021 at 6:58 am GMT • 5.9 hours ago • 200 Words   

Nous trouverons quelque chose ou le provoquerons, une pandémie qui cible certaines personnes, une crise économique réelle ou pas, un virus qui touchera les vieux ou les gros, peu importe, les faibles y succomberont, les peureux et les stupides y croiront et demanderont à être traités. Nous aurons pris soin d’avoir prévu le traitement, un traitement qui sera la solution.

La sélection des idiots se fera ainsi toute seule : ils iront d’eux-mêmes à l’abattoir.”

[ L’avenir de la vie – Jacques Attali, 1981 ]

This is a quotation from a book by a well-known french dual citizen who served as advisor to Mitterand,Chirac,Sarkozy,Hollande and was involved with the way-up;to the presidency of Macron.He is a bit of a futurologist and personality “behind the screens”.For those not understanding french language i translate:

“We will find something or provoke it,a pandemia that is aimed at certain persons,a real or unreal economic crisis,a virus touching the old or the obese,it matters little,the weak will succomb to it,the fearful and the stupid will believe it and ask for treatment.We will have taken care of providing the treatment,a treatment that will be the solution.The selection of the idiots will be automatic:they will go to the slaughterhouse on their own consent.”

It’s odd though that it’s in Israel that this is most obvious now.

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